The legally established definition of a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S., affirmed several times by SCOTUS, (See: Minor v. Happersett, USSCt. (1874), inter alia), is "One born IN the United States to Parents who are both U.S. Citizens themselves". It was a UNANIMOUS decision. Read my book "Imposters in the Oval Office", iUniverse Publishing (c)2018. Also see: "There is NO 'President" Obama" also written by me.
I prefer the definition of our founders. The Supreme Court submits opinion. They DO NOT make law. And many of their opinion are not constitutional. IE Abortion, same sex marriage just for 2 examples. If you prefer the definition that differs from our founders good for you. Your understanding and mine may differ but still supports that Vivek Ramaswamy, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris, Dr. Shiva, Nikki Haley, Bobbie Jindal are not natural born citizens. DID YOU READ the 2 articles in my post? The proof is undeniable. Our founding documents were written in natural law and they used the Law of Nations (also written in natural law) to assist them in the creation of those documents. It might not be the definition folks like but it is the definition at the times of our founders that to me IS THE defintion and the Supreme Court has no power or authority to change that just like they had no authority to make same sex marriage constitutional or abortion constitutional. The final arbiter of the Constitution is the state not the Judicial branch or any other branch of the government. Our founders made it VERY clear that the federal government was to have severly limited authority. You state the LEGALLY established definition came from the Supreme Court and I must respond they have no LEGAL authority to establish law. I do agree with you that Obama was a fraud and not because of where he was born but because his father was a British subject. Ted Cruz is a natural born Canadian citizen. BOTH of his parents were Canadian citizens when Ted was born in Canada in 1970. He stated his mother had dual citizenship......a flat out lie. Dual citizenship was not allowed in Canada until 1976. Both of his parents voted in Canadian elections. His father openly admits to becoming a Canadian citizen but Cruz says the fact that his mother had dual citizenship therefore he is a natural born American and people bought that lie because Cruz is ev ery bit a scoundrel as Obama. He had the protection of the corrupt Bush family. And now we have a slew of people running for President that are not natural born citizens. I guess one fraud that has destroyed this country was not enough for people to understand the importance of being a natural born citizen in the position of President and VP. Obama is still the puppet running (destroying) this country and when Gavin Newsom becomes President Obama will continue his vengence against America.
The highest standard of citizenship is being born IN the US to parents who are both US Citizens themselves. That IS the law whether you prefer it or not. There can be no higher standard and that is the standard that MUST be applied. NO lowering that standard is acceptable or legal.
From Cornell Law.......The Constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. Key word precisely. I will follow the documentation of proof as stated by our founders regarding the definition of NBC.
Yea, Vattel 1758 Law of Nations section 212, "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born of parents, who are citizens in the country." There is firther documentation of the ferver the Founders "took note from the Law of Nations in crafting the US Constitution. Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro is an exquisite example of why the natural-born citizen clause is in the US Constitution the "rat bast"^d."
NBC is conveyed from an American father to his children. In the days of our founders the mother had no rights and when she married her and her husband became as one and the wife if not already a citizen automatically became a citizen. Further reading of the Law of Nations makes it very clear that the father (not the mother) directly conveys NBC to the children. And Yes he is a prime example of why NBC was made a requirement of the President and then later added to the office of VP.
Hi....but.....i thought that if an American citizen mother has a baby anywhere in the world that that baby is a citizen....and that would apply to Obama....and actually I had a friend whose parents were in India for a few years and did not expect to have another baby....He was born in India and has dual citizenship.....so help me out here if you can.....thank you
Did you read the articles? It is fully explained. If your friend's child was born to an American father then the children are natural born citizens. NBC is passed from father to children. That is how it was at the times of our founder and no one has ever attempted to change that. Understand there is a difference between being CITIZEN and a NBC. Many people mix up the two and they are different. Our Constitution makes the differentiation in that the document clearly states you must be a CITIZEN to be a US Rep or US Senator BUT you must be a NBC to be President or VP.
AND if mom was an American she can convey citizenship but cannot convey NBCitizehship. That is conveyed via Father. Many have twisted the truth to keep people out of office they didn't want as PResident/VP and they have twisted it to put people into the office of President/VP they did want. IE Obama and Kamala Harris. Neither are NBC. Obama's father was a british subject and both of Kamala's parents were foreign. Her father never did become a citizen and her mother became a citizen after she moved back to the US from Canada.
Again, the established law determining who is an NBC requires that BOTH Parents be US Citizens and that their child be born IN the US. Otherwise the child does not possess 100% US Jus Sanquinis and is NOT an NBC. BOTH of John McCains parents were US Citizens. That said, HE WAS ineligible because he was NOT born on US Soil but in Colon, Panama. He was a naturalized citizen by statute.
There is no established law that defines NBC requirement for President or VP. You can have your opinion but you cannot have your own facts. Our Constitution was written at a time when it was very clear what NBC meant. No law can change natural law because natural law never changes. And Minor addresses a woman's right to vote it does not define NBC in relation to President or VP. We will have to agree to disagree. I could not stand John McCain but he was a natural born citizen in the eyes of our founders and the men that wrote our founding documents and as Cornell law stated there has never been a precise US law to define NBC. All we have is what we know from the writings of our founders at the time. The Constitution is NOT a living document to be changed at the whim of those with an agenda.
In the 18th century the process of coverture made the wife of an American also a US Citizen. That is not an automatic given in 2023. SCOTUS has since opined that BOTH parents must be US Citizens and the child must be born IN the US to be an NBC. Minor v. Happersett is a major case illustrating this fact. It was Unanimously decided. If a Father is American and the Mother is not then their child does NOT possess 100% American Jus Sanquinis and is DQ'd on that basis. Note: The child is also REQUIRED to possess 100% AMERICAN jus soli. Read Vattel's Law of Nations.
The term of art "Citizen" and the term of art "Natual Born Citizen" are both in the Constitution. ALL Natural Born Citizens are Citizens but all citizens are NOT Natural Born Citizens. To be a Natural Born Citizen REQUIRES that a person be born IN the United States or a fully incorporated territory of the USA IN ADDITION TO being born of two US Citizen Parents. At this time the sole fully incorporated territory of the US is Palmyra Atol. A POTUS and a VPOTUS are both required to be Natural Born Citizens. It has long been established and settled by the SCOTUS that an NBC IS one born IN the United States to parents who are BOTH US Citizens themselves. See: Minor v. Happersett, USSCt. (1874) Unanimous. NO ONE BUT a person born IN the US to two citizen parents is eligible to be President OR VP. This IS THE LAW.
First of all Minor v Happersett is about the rights of a woman to vote. It is about suffrage. If your definition applies to NBC then if an American couple go on vacation to Italy and have a baby that baby is not a NBC. That is WRONG. Minor talks about COMMON Law. Our Constitution was written in natural law using the tenets of nature law. Minor only validates that anyone born on US soil to American parents are natural born citizens is natural born and has all the rights of a natural born citizen which means women have the right to vote. To define the NBC requirement to be President or VP must be legislated in a law pertaining to that specific issue and Minor does not do this. So all Minor did was say she was eligible to vote because she was born on US soil to American citizens and has the right to vote even if she is a woman. Minor only legitimizes this woman's right to vote it does not define the entire meaning of NBC because if 2 American parents have a child on Italian soil that does not remove the child's right to natural born citizenship. That right was conveyed by the fact that the child's father was an American citizen.
Hi…thank you ….i know all of this….it does not however address what I was talking about in my specific question to someone whom I believe was wrong…….…again thank you….
I thought I did answer your question. If an American woman had a baby in say India that baby would be an American citizen but that is not the same as a natural born citizen. Only if the FATHER was an American citizen can the child be a natural born citizen. Natural Born Citizenship is passed from FATHER to children. The 2 articles I shared explain it very well. Thanks.
Again, Karen, The child of an American Father whose Mother is not also a US Citizen is NOT a Natural Born Citizen. Note: Permanent residents are NOT US Citizens. An NBC, AGAIN, is one born IN the US to TWO US citizen parents. SCOTUS opinions become LAW when they are ruled upon. SCOTUS has reaffirmed the definition of NBC above in at least SEVEN cases.
In around 1907 the British devised a plan to make Palestine a buffer state, while proposing that it be hostile to its Arab neighbors and friendly to Europe. The aim was to divide the region and assure Britain's continual dominance. They wanted Palestine to be dependent on Europe and European colonialism . . What does that tell us?.
There is little doubt, that the brutal holocaust being perpetrated on the Palestinian people, is for a "Greater Israel", if they can get away with it. This would of course allow them to take over the maritime environment, and also most likely create a shipping lane for The Ben Gurion Canal, which would link the Eastern Mediterranean to the Gulf of Aqaba.
Here are two globalresearch.ca articles, and another video, in addition to Mike Adam's video, on the canal:
I have been reading a number of articles which state that Hamas is untouchable. If you want those articles, let me know. Extremely fascinating to learn how they operate.
I am Jewish, and before the Al Aqsa Flood on October 7th I "knew" absolutely nothing about the founding of Israel. It has been and still is very upsetting for me--I feel so stupid and am so sad, especially because of the inhumane genocide of innocent people! Nevertheless, life goes on and now that I know the deceit and exploitation and hate that the Zionists have had for the Arab Palestinians from the beginning, and how they went about acquiring the Jewish homeland, I will never be the same again.
Here is short video, which says a lot in 2 minutes.
Not only was Walter thrown in prison, so was Col. Terry Lakin, an Army doc who refused Obama's orders to deploy because he knew Obama is a fraud. After a short kangaroo liberal Court Marshal where he was refused discovery he was sentenced to 6 months in prison losing all his years of military committment. Obama avoided same with a fake selective service card. It seems Barry was going to school in California at Occidental University on a foreign student California paid scholorship the day he signed his counterfeit Selective Service Card in Hawaii.
We have another problem and I have the receipts. The RNC doesn't give a damn about wether or not your candidate is qualified under the natural-born citizen clause. The application for President of the United States is written in English and Spanish for all our Spanish only speaking candidates. Further, a candidate gets to keep all the millions upon millions of dollars they glean from an unsuspecting fawning public who eagerly soaks up everything the perfect candidate says not knowing he/she is a fraud like Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamey, Ted Cruz, Kamala Harris, John McCain, Tulsi Gabbard, Marco Rubio, Barack Obama, and Bobby Jindal. The RNC application for president says the candidate for president fills his qualification for president by "swearing on the face of the application" he/'she is qualified!" and I have that in writing from the RNC Legal Eagle in 2016.
I think you have to include, if you were born to a LEGAL ALIEN. Both my parents were LEGAL ALIENS from Canada when I was born. Green cards were filed in a timely manner. (My parents eventually became citizens when I was about 25 years old, mostly due to the hassle of filing green cards and that most of their Canadian relatives were passed on at that point and they didn't visit them as often.) I was born in Detroit, MI. At the age of 18, I was given a choice and CHOSE AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. There has never been any contention about my citizenship nor should there be, I can run for office, I 'coulda been president' theoretically. If you are going to say I am not 'just as American' as the next American, you are gonna have some fight on your hands.
We are not talking about citizenship. We are talking about what is a natural born citizen. Your parents were here legally and if your father had obtained American citizenship before you were born you ARE a natural born American citizens. If he obtained American citizenship after you were born you were a naturalized citizen. There is a difference. You could run for US House or US Senate but are not eligible to be President or VP unless your father was a citizen before you were born.
The legally established definition of a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S., affirmed several times by SCOTUS, (See: Minor v. Happersett, USSCt. (1874), inter alia), is "One born IN the United States to Parents who are both U.S. Citizens themselves". It was a UNANIMOUS decision. Read my book "Imposters in the Oval Office", iUniverse Publishing (c)2018. Also see: "There is NO 'President" Obama" also written by me.
I prefer the definition of our founders. The Supreme Court submits opinion. They DO NOT make law. And many of their opinion are not constitutional. IE Abortion, same sex marriage just for 2 examples. If you prefer the definition that differs from our founders good for you. Your understanding and mine may differ but still supports that Vivek Ramaswamy, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris, Dr. Shiva, Nikki Haley, Bobbie Jindal are not natural born citizens. DID YOU READ the 2 articles in my post? The proof is undeniable. Our founding documents were written in natural law and they used the Law of Nations (also written in natural law) to assist them in the creation of those documents. It might not be the definition folks like but it is the definition at the times of our founders that to me IS THE defintion and the Supreme Court has no power or authority to change that just like they had no authority to make same sex marriage constitutional or abortion constitutional. The final arbiter of the Constitution is the state not the Judicial branch or any other branch of the government. Our founders made it VERY clear that the federal government was to have severly limited authority. You state the LEGALLY established definition came from the Supreme Court and I must respond they have no LEGAL authority to establish law. I do agree with you that Obama was a fraud and not because of where he was born but because his father was a British subject. Ted Cruz is a natural born Canadian citizen. BOTH of his parents were Canadian citizens when Ted was born in Canada in 1970. He stated his mother had dual citizenship......a flat out lie. Dual citizenship was not allowed in Canada until 1976. Both of his parents voted in Canadian elections. His father openly admits to becoming a Canadian citizen but Cruz says the fact that his mother had dual citizenship therefore he is a natural born American and people bought that lie because Cruz is ev ery bit a scoundrel as Obama. He had the protection of the corrupt Bush family. And now we have a slew of people running for President that are not natural born citizens. I guess one fraud that has destroyed this country was not enough for people to understand the importance of being a natural born citizen in the position of President and VP. Obama is still the puppet running (destroying) this country and when Gavin Newsom becomes President Obama will continue his vengence against America.
The highest standard of citizenship is being born IN the US to parents who are both US Citizens themselves. That IS the law whether you prefer it or not. There can be no higher standard and that is the standard that MUST be applied. NO lowering that standard is acceptable or legal.
From Cornell Law.......The Constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. Key word precisely. I will follow the documentation of proof as stated by our founders regarding the definition of NBC.
Yea, Vattel 1758 Law of Nations section 212, "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born of parents, who are citizens in the country." There is firther documentation of the ferver the Founders "took note from the Law of Nations in crafting the US Constitution. Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro is an exquisite example of why the natural-born citizen clause is in the US Constitution the "rat bast"^d."
NBC is conveyed from an American father to his children. In the days of our founders the mother had no rights and when she married her and her husband became as one and the wife if not already a citizen automatically became a citizen. Further reading of the Law of Nations makes it very clear that the father (not the mother) directly conveys NBC to the children. And Yes he is a prime example of why NBC was made a requirement of the President and then later added to the office of VP.
Hi....but.....i thought that if an American citizen mother has a baby anywhere in the world that that baby is a citizen....and that would apply to Obama....and actually I had a friend whose parents were in India for a few years and did not expect to have another baby....He was born in India and has dual citizenship.....so help me out here if you can.....thank you
Did you read the articles? It is fully explained. If your friend's child was born to an American father then the children are natural born citizens. NBC is passed from father to children. That is how it was at the times of our founder and no one has ever attempted to change that. Understand there is a difference between being CITIZEN and a NBC. Many people mix up the two and they are different. Our Constitution makes the differentiation in that the document clearly states you must be a CITIZEN to be a US Rep or US Senator BUT you must be a NBC to be President or VP.
AND if mom was an American she can convey citizenship but cannot convey NBCitizehship. That is conveyed via Father. Many have twisted the truth to keep people out of office they didn't want as PResident/VP and they have twisted it to put people into the office of President/VP they did want. IE Obama and Kamala Harris. Neither are NBC. Obama's father was a british subject and both of Kamala's parents were foreign. Her father never did become a citizen and her mother became a citizen after she moved back to the US from Canada.
Again, the established law determining who is an NBC requires that BOTH Parents be US Citizens and that their child be born IN the US. Otherwise the child does not possess 100% US Jus Sanquinis and is NOT an NBC. BOTH of John McCains parents were US Citizens. That said, HE WAS ineligible because he was NOT born on US Soil but in Colon, Panama. He was a naturalized citizen by statute.
There is no established law that defines NBC requirement for President or VP. You can have your opinion but you cannot have your own facts. Our Constitution was written at a time when it was very clear what NBC meant. No law can change natural law because natural law never changes. And Minor addresses a woman's right to vote it does not define NBC in relation to President or VP. We will have to agree to disagree. I could not stand John McCain but he was a natural born citizen in the eyes of our founders and the men that wrote our founding documents and as Cornell law stated there has never been a precise US law to define NBC. All we have is what we know from the writings of our founders at the time. The Constitution is NOT a living document to be changed at the whim of those with an agenda.
In the 18th century the process of coverture made the wife of an American also a US Citizen. That is not an automatic given in 2023. SCOTUS has since opined that BOTH parents must be US Citizens and the child must be born IN the US to be an NBC. Minor v. Happersett is a major case illustrating this fact. It was Unanimously decided. If a Father is American and the Mother is not then their child does NOT possess 100% American Jus Sanquinis and is DQ'd on that basis. Note: The child is also REQUIRED to possess 100% AMERICAN jus soli. Read Vattel's Law of Nations.
The term of art "Citizen" and the term of art "Natual Born Citizen" are both in the Constitution. ALL Natural Born Citizens are Citizens but all citizens are NOT Natural Born Citizens. To be a Natural Born Citizen REQUIRES that a person be born IN the United States or a fully incorporated territory of the USA IN ADDITION TO being born of two US Citizen Parents. At this time the sole fully incorporated territory of the US is Palmyra Atol. A POTUS and a VPOTUS are both required to be Natural Born Citizens. It has long been established and settled by the SCOTUS that an NBC IS one born IN the United States to parents who are BOTH US Citizens themselves. See: Minor v. Happersett, USSCt. (1874) Unanimous. NO ONE BUT a person born IN the US to two citizen parents is eligible to be President OR VP. This IS THE LAW.
Also, try to tell parents serving in the US military stationed outside the US that their children are not natural born citizens.
First of all Minor v Happersett is about the rights of a woman to vote. It is about suffrage. If your definition applies to NBC then if an American couple go on vacation to Italy and have a baby that baby is not a NBC. That is WRONG. Minor talks about COMMON Law. Our Constitution was written in natural law using the tenets of nature law. Minor only validates that anyone born on US soil to American parents are natural born citizens is natural born and has all the rights of a natural born citizen which means women have the right to vote. To define the NBC requirement to be President or VP must be legislated in a law pertaining to that specific issue and Minor does not do this. So all Minor did was say she was eligible to vote because she was born on US soil to American citizens and has the right to vote even if she is a woman. Minor only legitimizes this woman's right to vote it does not define the entire meaning of NBC because if 2 American parents have a child on Italian soil that does not remove the child's right to natural born citizenship. That right was conveyed by the fact that the child's father was an American citizen.
Hi…thank you ….i know all of this….it does not however address what I was talking about in my specific question to someone whom I believe was wrong…….…again thank you….
I thought I did answer your question. If an American woman had a baby in say India that baby would be an American citizen but that is not the same as a natural born citizen. Only if the FATHER was an American citizen can the child be a natural born citizen. Natural Born Citizenship is passed from FATHER to children. The 2 articles I shared explain it very well. Thanks.
Again, Karen, The child of an American Father whose Mother is not also a US Citizen is NOT a Natural Born Citizen. Note: Permanent residents are NOT US Citizens. An NBC, AGAIN, is one born IN the US to TWO US citizen parents. SCOTUS opinions become LAW when they are ruled upon. SCOTUS has reaffirmed the definition of NBC above in at least SEVEN cases.
In around 1907 the British devised a plan to make Palestine a buffer state, while proposing that it be hostile to its Arab neighbors and friendly to Europe. The aim was to divide the region and assure Britain's continual dominance. They wanted Palestine to be dependent on Europe and European colonialism . . What does that tell us?.
There is little doubt, that the brutal holocaust being perpetrated on the Palestinian people, is for a "Greater Israel", if they can get away with it. This would of course allow them to take over the maritime environment, and also most likely create a shipping lane for The Ben Gurion Canal, which would link the Eastern Mediterranean to the Gulf of Aqaba.
Here are two globalresearch.ca articles, and another video, in addition to Mike Adam's video, on the canal:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-israel-destroys-gaza-control-world-most-important-shipping-lane/5839470
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-911-the-greater-israel-maritime-natural-gas-and-the-prospect-of-a-middle-east-multi-front-war/5838990
I have been reading a number of articles which state that Hamas is untouchable. If you want those articles, let me know. Extremely fascinating to learn how they operate.
I am Jewish, and before the Al Aqsa Flood on October 7th I "knew" absolutely nothing about the founding of Israel. It has been and still is very upsetting for me--I feel so stupid and am so sad, especially because of the inhumane genocide of innocent people! Nevertheless, life goes on and now that I know the deceit and exploitation and hate that the Zionists have had for the Arab Palestinians from the beginning, and how they went about acquiring the Jewish homeland, I will never be the same again.
Here is short video, which says a lot in 2 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo2kil9Nh6A
Not only was Walter thrown in prison, so was Col. Terry Lakin, an Army doc who refused Obama's orders to deploy because he knew Obama is a fraud. After a short kangaroo liberal Court Marshal where he was refused discovery he was sentenced to 6 months in prison losing all his years of military committment. Obama avoided same with a fake selective service card. It seems Barry was going to school in California at Occidental University on a foreign student California paid scholorship the day he signed his counterfeit Selective Service Card in Hawaii.
We have another problem and I have the receipts. The RNC doesn't give a damn about wether or not your candidate is qualified under the natural-born citizen clause. The application for President of the United States is written in English and Spanish for all our Spanish only speaking candidates. Further, a candidate gets to keep all the millions upon millions of dollars they glean from an unsuspecting fawning public who eagerly soaks up everything the perfect candidate says not knowing he/she is a fraud like Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamey, Ted Cruz, Kamala Harris, John McCain, Tulsi Gabbard, Marco Rubio, Barack Obama, and Bobby Jindal. The RNC application for president says the candidate for president fills his qualification for president by "swearing on the face of the application" he/'she is qualified!" and I have that in writing from the RNC Legal Eagle in 2016.
I think you have to include, if you were born to a LEGAL ALIEN. Both my parents were LEGAL ALIENS from Canada when I was born. Green cards were filed in a timely manner. (My parents eventually became citizens when I was about 25 years old, mostly due to the hassle of filing green cards and that most of their Canadian relatives were passed on at that point and they didn't visit them as often.) I was born in Detroit, MI. At the age of 18, I was given a choice and CHOSE AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. There has never been any contention about my citizenship nor should there be, I can run for office, I 'coulda been president' theoretically. If you are going to say I am not 'just as American' as the next American, you are gonna have some fight on your hands.
We are not talking about citizenship. We are talking about what is a natural born citizen. Your parents were here legally and if your father had obtained American citizenship before you were born you ARE a natural born American citizens. If he obtained American citizenship after you were born you were a naturalized citizen. There is a difference. You could run for US House or US Senate but are not eligible to be President or VP unless your father was a citizen before you were born.