Karen, while I share your uneasiness about Ramaswamy’s silky smoothness I believe you are wrong about his eligibility to be president. The three criteria are 1) at least age 35; 2) be a natural born citizen; 3) have lived in the US for at least 14 years. He was born in the 1980s and has lived for more than 14 years in the US. That is parents weren’t yet citizens when he was born is immaterial.
Sorry but you are the one that has no clue when it comes to what it means to be a NBC. He was born in 1985 in Ohio to parents who were both citizens of India at the time of his birth. They were not American citizens.Same with Nikki Haley, Dr. Shiva, Obama (his father was a British subject), Marco Rubio, Bobbie Jindal, Kamala Harris and Ted Cruz (who was born in Canada to TWO Canadian parents.....both of his parents became Canadian citizens and voted in Canadian elections and NO Ted's mother did not have dual citizenship because in 1970 when Ted was born Canada did not allow dual citizenship). There is a huge difference between being a CITIZEN, NATURALIZED Citizen and a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. If there was no difference then there would not be an exception that only the office of President and VP can be held by a NBC. All other offices only require that the candidate be a CITIZEN or NATURALIZED CITIZEN. Perhaps this clearly written article might help dispel all the lies and misconceptions used to make the chosen candidates semm like they are eligible. The Constituiton is NOT a living document. It is not change often and constantly and can only be changed via the amendment process. They have tried 8 time to remove the NBC requirement (the last time in an effort to make Obama eligible) and it has failed all 8 times. And of course could only be changed by the amendment process and it did not even make it to the ballot any of the 8 times. The reference to the Law of Nations is a book written in natural law (law of nature) and was used to create our founding documents which were also to be written in natural law not common law (law of man). I prefer to follow the law of God then the law of Godless men and women and that is why our documents were written in natural law and is why the rights in the Constitution are rights given to us by God not man. Our founders knew that men were inheriantly evil. They also said that our Constitution was created for a vituous people and we have become far from virtuous and that is why it is not working......we have evil people ignoring it and ruling my the laws of men and it is time we put an end to it. We are doing just that here in TN. https://newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams297.htm. Bottom line Ramawamy may be a citizen but he is NOT a NBC. No wonder this country is in such a mess. We have a citizenry that is truly clueless.
SCOTUS. Wouldn’t the logical and simplest clarification be between “natural born citizen” and “naturalized citiizen”, the latter being a person who was born elsewhere, came to the US and then became a citizen. Why didn’t SCOTUS make that simple clarification as it is extremely doubtful that the founders were thinking of parents. They feared foreign influence; a naturalized citizen, born elsewhere and attaining citizenship after arriving, would seem to be closer to the risk they envisioned.
I’m 100% sure of this: in the extremely unlikely event of Ramaswamy winning the presidency, he would not be disqualified with his long highly accomplished history in the US and with both parents having been citizens for a long time.
The FACTS are not debatable. You can have your own opinion but you cannot have your facts. Citizen=someone born on US soil to non-citizen parents (this too is debatable and is misrepresentation of the 14th Amendment but I digress), Naturalized Citizen=comes to the US LEGALLY and becomes a naturalized citizen (this takes 5 years), NBC=born to an American FATHER. READ THE INFO I SENT before you respond again. Like I said the facts are not debatable.
The confusion seems to have arisen because NBC was not actually defined in the constitution. Tho I gather (I haven’t checked yet) SCOTUS may have refined the definition. But SCOTUS also made abortion a right. Do you favour that refinement as well.
“Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence. The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning”. Wikipedia
Well sorry but if you think that just because someone is born on US soil it makes them a natural born citizen then you are clueless when it comes to the Constitution and to the meaning of one of the basic concepts of our country......the difference between citizen, natural born citizen and naturalized citizen. You are telling me that NBC is a requirement and I surely know the requirements for being President and VP but it is you that does not understand the meaning of NBC......NBC is not just a citizen or a naturalized citizen it is a status of citizenship different from the other 2. I am not debating the requirements I am debating the fact that you have no concept of what NBC means and that is dangerous and the reason why our country is in a mess. People, not just you are clueless about the Constitution, Federalist Papers and the writings of the most important people in the history of this country. What other word fits the bill.....ignorant, uneducated. None are kind but there are no other words to describe people that refuse to learn the truth.
Also if you look up the requirements for Senator and Representative you will see it merely says you must be a CITIZEN. It does not say you must be a NBC. That right there tells you there is a difference. Ramaswamy can be a Rep, Governor, Senator, School board member, city council, county commission but he CANNOT be President or VP and neither should Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobbie Jindal, Nikki Haley. Did you even take the time to read the article I sent to you?? It is obvious you did not.
I did read what you sent. And a google search *seems* ro support your view.
So now I’m clueless, ignorant and uneducated? This will be my last comment on the matter. Thank you for your forbearance.
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS NOT DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION. There have been many different OPINIONS about its exact meaning.
Wikipedia (yes, I too distrust it for partisan and ideological matters).
“Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.[1]
“The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the consensus emerging as of 2016 was that they also are natural-born citizens.[2][3][4]
It is one big family bloodline that governs this world or THEIR world. Find out who Obama is at thedunhamhouse.com We are NOT the people. We are the Commoners. 99.9% of US Presidents come from this bloodline. See and accept this and it will all start to make sense.
"anD make no mistake the US is onboard with all of this crap from the WHO, UN, WEF "
It is not the US, but the masters of the USG, from the City of London. In a simpler form "the USG is onboard"... Fix'd it for you :-)!
Karen, while I share your uneasiness about Ramaswamy’s silky smoothness I believe you are wrong about his eligibility to be president. The three criteria are 1) at least age 35; 2) be a natural born citizen; 3) have lived in the US for at least 14 years. He was born in the 1980s and has lived for more than 14 years in the US. That is parents weren’t yet citizens when he was born is immaterial.
Sorry but you are the one that has no clue when it comes to what it means to be a NBC. He was born in 1985 in Ohio to parents who were both citizens of India at the time of his birth. They were not American citizens.Same with Nikki Haley, Dr. Shiva, Obama (his father was a British subject), Marco Rubio, Bobbie Jindal, Kamala Harris and Ted Cruz (who was born in Canada to TWO Canadian parents.....both of his parents became Canadian citizens and voted in Canadian elections and NO Ted's mother did not have dual citizenship because in 1970 when Ted was born Canada did not allow dual citizenship). There is a huge difference between being a CITIZEN, NATURALIZED Citizen and a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. If there was no difference then there would not be an exception that only the office of President and VP can be held by a NBC. All other offices only require that the candidate be a CITIZEN or NATURALIZED CITIZEN. Perhaps this clearly written article might help dispel all the lies and misconceptions used to make the chosen candidates semm like they are eligible. The Constituiton is NOT a living document. It is not change often and constantly and can only be changed via the amendment process. They have tried 8 time to remove the NBC requirement (the last time in an effort to make Obama eligible) and it has failed all 8 times. And of course could only be changed by the amendment process and it did not even make it to the ballot any of the 8 times. The reference to the Law of Nations is a book written in natural law (law of nature) and was used to create our founding documents which were also to be written in natural law not common law (law of man). I prefer to follow the law of God then the law of Godless men and women and that is why our documents were written in natural law and is why the rights in the Constitution are rights given to us by God not man. Our founders knew that men were inheriantly evil. They also said that our Constitution was created for a vituous people and we have become far from virtuous and that is why it is not working......we have evil people ignoring it and ruling my the laws of men and it is time we put an end to it. We are doing just that here in TN. https://newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams297.htm. Bottom line Ramawamy may be a citizen but he is NOT a NBC. No wonder this country is in such a mess. We have a citizenry that is truly clueless.
SCOTUS. Wouldn’t the logical and simplest clarification be between “natural born citizen” and “naturalized citiizen”, the latter being a person who was born elsewhere, came to the US and then became a citizen. Why didn’t SCOTUS make that simple clarification as it is extremely doubtful that the founders were thinking of parents. They feared foreign influence; a naturalized citizen, born elsewhere and attaining citizenship after arriving, would seem to be closer to the risk they envisioned.
I’m 100% sure of this: in the extremely unlikely event of Ramaswamy winning the presidency, he would not be disqualified with his long highly accomplished history in the US and with both parents having been citizens for a long time.
The FACTS are not debatable. You can have your own opinion but you cannot have your facts. Citizen=someone born on US soil to non-citizen parents (this too is debatable and is misrepresentation of the 14th Amendment but I digress), Naturalized Citizen=comes to the US LEGALLY and becomes a naturalized citizen (this takes 5 years), NBC=born to an American FATHER. READ THE INFO I SENT before you respond again. Like I said the facts are not debatable.
“no clue” is kinda hostile, no? I was polite.
The confusion seems to have arisen because NBC was not actually defined in the constitution. Tho I gather (I haven’t checked yet) SCOTUS may have refined the definition. But SCOTUS also made abortion a right. Do you favour that refinement as well.
“Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence. The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning”. Wikipedia
Well sorry but if you think that just because someone is born on US soil it makes them a natural born citizen then you are clueless when it comes to the Constitution and to the meaning of one of the basic concepts of our country......the difference between citizen, natural born citizen and naturalized citizen. You are telling me that NBC is a requirement and I surely know the requirements for being President and VP but it is you that does not understand the meaning of NBC......NBC is not just a citizen or a naturalized citizen it is a status of citizenship different from the other 2. I am not debating the requirements I am debating the fact that you have no concept of what NBC means and that is dangerous and the reason why our country is in a mess. People, not just you are clueless about the Constitution, Federalist Papers and the writings of the most important people in the history of this country. What other word fits the bill.....ignorant, uneducated. None are kind but there are no other words to describe people that refuse to learn the truth.
Also if you look up the requirements for Senator and Representative you will see it merely says you must be a CITIZEN. It does not say you must be a NBC. That right there tells you there is a difference. Ramaswamy can be a Rep, Governor, Senator, School board member, city council, county commission but he CANNOT be President or VP and neither should Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobbie Jindal, Nikki Haley. Did you even take the time to read the article I sent to you?? It is obvious you did not.
I did read what you sent. And a google search *seems* ro support your view.
So now I’m clueless, ignorant and uneducated? This will be my last comment on the matter. Thank you for your forbearance.
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS NOT DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION. There have been many different OPINIONS about its exact meaning.
Wikipedia (yes, I too distrust it for partisan and ideological matters).
“Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.[1]
“The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the consensus emerging as of 2016 was that they also are natural-born citizens.[2][3][4]
It is one big family bloodline that governs this world or THEIR world. Find out who Obama is at thedunhamhouse.com We are NOT the people. We are the Commoners. 99.9% of US Presidents come from this bloodline. See and accept this and it will all start to make sense.
https://thedunhamhouse.com/WO_Family_Tree.html
https://thedunhamhouse.com/images/BarackObamaFamilyTree.pdf
Thank you. I will surely take a look. No doubt Obama is a Manchurian Candidate.